With all the scandals going on right now:
1. Fast and Furious
2. Benghazi Attack
3. IRS intimidation of conservative groups
4. Secret collection of AP phone records
Doesn’t it simply seem that there’s too much all at one time to try to say that there’s no misuse of office, negligence, and ineptitude?
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Will The House Vote To Impeach The President?
Posted on May 23, 2013.
1) While Fast and Furious, in point of fact, began under the Bush Administration, Obama had knowledge of it. Does this make him criminally liable? No. Morally? Probably. But not criminally. After all, Harry Truman said “The Buck Stops Here.” Bad management? Yes. But not an impeachable offense.
2) Benghazi? Piss poor leadership? Oh, yes. As the Commander in Chief he should have been all over it. As the President, he should have been honest and above board to the American people from the get go.
3) IF and ONLY if it can be proven that the President had knowledge of, or personally directed the IRS to target conservative groups for audit, then yes, this is an impeacable offense.
4) IF and ONLY IF it can be proven the collection of phone records was politically motivated,rather than as a process of a criminal investigation, would it be an impeachable offense.
Now, do I like the President? Not in the slightest. I have zero respect for him, his policies, or his minions. If it’s proven he’s committed impeachable offenses, absolutely, I’d be the first to watch him go.
But, even if these things ARE proven, he won’t be impeached. Let me tell you why:
The House brings the charges. While it is controlled by Republicans, they won’t do that for two reasons:
1) It would be futile, as the Senate actually tries the case. As the Senate is controlled by Democrats, this simply won’t happen.
and,
2) The Republicans know that it would be political suicide for any politician who actually tried to bring articles forth. Racist, obstructionist, destructionist. It wouldn’t matter if the charges were warranted or not, that’s what they’d be called.
The best thing that can be done at this point is just try to ride it out until he’s gone. Slap down the most egregious proposed legislation coming from the Senate, utilize the veto override, and better brand, market, and execute what the People want from their government.
Nope. Matter what Obama does if Republicans make any move to impeach they will be called racists by the left and the easily manipulated minorities will believe it. The left won’t allow it because it puts the Government in the hands of Republicans (the House). Also with a new midterm election coming possible to in the house get a real conservative Speaker as many are not so happy with Boehner. The Dems are also standing a serious threat of losing the Senate as well.
Of course don’t forget if the Dems supported impeaching Obama over any of that many of the “your racist!” crowd would say they only pretended to be friends to the minorities to get votes.
Obama has a long list far more then 4 of things that make him Impeachable. If it had been a white President or a Republican it would have been started a dozen times over,
“1. Fast and Furious”
Started during the Bush administration
“2. Benghazi Attack”
The President has not been implicated as having done any impeachable offense.
“3. IRS intimidation of conservative groups”
No one intimidated anyone. They were targeted for audits. (a good thing, if you ask me)
“4. Secret collection of AP phone records”
It wasn’t a secret, and it was allowable under the Patriot Act and not illegal.
Impeachment requires ‘high crimes’. Can you name a crime? Nope. Because there isn’t a crime, a cover up, or even a traffic ticket. Let me break this down for you.
Fast and Furious – There was incompetence, absolutely. Someone definitely needs to be fired. But it was the continuation of a Bush era program (which makes it no surprise that there was incompetence.) And it’s a legitimate use of law enforcement power. No crime.
Benghazi – a tragedy. No corruption or crime. The only ‘scandal’ is that Republicans are trying to claim that a fluid situation with imperfect intelligence means that the administration was lying. It’s complete bull-$#!^, but there you have it. If Republicans were actually interested in FIXING things, they could re-instate the additional $100 million that the state department requested for worldwide security that the REPUBLICAN House removed from the State Department budget. Your fingers are TOTALLY pointed the wrong direction on Benghazi.
IRS – did you know that liberal groups were ALSO investigated? Nope. Because reality simply doesn’t matter to you. Furthermore, it’s already been determined that local management was as far as the decision-making went. The heads have rolled. There’s no scandal here.
AP – Republicans DEMANDED that the AG investigate the leak of a CIA operation. The AP ‘scandal’ isn’t a scandal at all. It’s the results of the investigation that the REPUBLICANS DEMANDED. The only ‘scandal’ is that the press doesn’t like being investigated.
If you can point to a crime, then feel free. Otherwise you’re smoking dope thinking that there’s a crime that could lead to impeachment.
1. F & F. Non-scandal.
2. Benghazi attack. Non-scandal. Republicans, we now know, doctored the email quotes they sent to the press. They would not have done that if they weren’t CREATING a scandal.
3. IRS. No scandal. Wrong, but no scandal. And not directed by the President. Just as we hope GW Bush didn’t direct the IRS to come down on the NAACP and progressive groups back then. Besides, the man in charge of the IRS at the time was a Bush appointee. Maybe BUsh should be impeached?
4. AP phone records. That is a problem. But Republicans filibustered a law that would’ve prevented it. Dems have re-introduced it, including the Prez.
I encourage you to recall the Bush administration. So many scandals we couldn’t keep track. And he was a war criminal – not impeached. Obama CAN’T possibly top GW BUsh, so precedent says he will never be impeached. Sorry.
I didnt see the Democrats try to impeach Bush for all the attacks at embassies during his presidency where people were killed.
Under Bush, AT&T began surveillance on private phone conversations and internet monitoring that is still going on. Remember the “warrant-less” wiretapping ?
I am afraid the Republicans henchman, Darrell Issa, will have to have their 11th Benghazi hearing and keep trying until they are out of office. Really, is this what we pay them $187,000 a year for in their 100 days a year that they work?
Do you seriously prefer Biden over him?
Stick to the facts. Four more years of Obama won’t kill the United States. He’s an average-bad president and that’s all.
It is extremely unlikely for the average con’s fantasy of going out with a shotgun and shooting magical government gun grabbers with a La Resistance esque group of hillbillies to become true.
Obama is average and that’s all.
Here is the real coverup.
US Embassies & consulates attacked under Bush:
June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.
February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.
July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.
December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.
March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.
September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.
January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.
July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.
March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls’ school instead.
September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana’a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.
The University of Maryland database also lists 64 attacks on American diplomatic targets during the George W. Bush administration, including car bombs at the US embassy in Yemen and armed attackers assaulting a US consulate in Saudi Arabia.30
Cons keep hoping that there is a criminal act associated with all of these blown out of proportion “scandal”.
It is just the Republican leadership doesn’t have anything to offer the Middle Class, so they have to smear, lie, cheat, fear monger to keep their misinformed base agitated!
Only if they want to shoot themselves in the foot with a howitzer, politically speaking. The supposed scandals are misrepresented in the question, and voters won’t put up with a politically motivated impeachment.
Hardly.
Ideologues throwing around accusations is hardly evidence of criminal activity.
The answer is no.
no.
How’s the koolaid?